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Bought one yesterday afternoon and test shots are fantastic.

A bit of background, a gang has started visiting my area. I've now had two encounters; an armed confrontation at my front yard and a drive by that involved them yelling at me that they "were back."

It eventually went up to four involved; the big guy who started to jump me literally sneered at my glock. Seriously. he smirked and asked me "Are you really ready to spend the rest of your life in prison for killing a 17 year old?" Nothing more needs to be said about that, since he was obviously 20-30 years old and a big, badassed thug who was ten feet tall and bullet proof.

In any case, after that, I will not leave the house without a handgun, and I have been walking out the door with a rifle anytime I had reason to at night. I'm the neighborhood watch now. Rather than use any of my other weapons as main battle weapons I chose the old fashioned coach gun, hoping for some increased intimidation factor, and at least, an almost absolutely guaranteed one shot incapacitation at the ranges expected. The pistol is still on the holster and the primary is easily set aside as circumstances dictate.

Testing was really primitive. I took a box of 12 gauge target rounds and a pack of 00 buck with me to the store, and a 5 gallon plastic bucket. I tossed the bucket down at about 30 feet and started shooting. target rounds were devastating; before I had fired 4 sets the thing was literally a skeleton with every flat surface blasted apart. It was hanging together by the heavy rim and bottom and the curved, heavier side material. Even with such a minimal amount of remaining target material, every round hit. when it was finally blasted to pieces no larger than a clay, every round of shot still managed to hit fragments as I did tap drills from side to side. I had nothing to clean up that was larger than four inches in size.

The chokes are apparently very tight, and very, very consistent. (IC & M). The deluxe version comes with interchangeable chokes, so a better set of tubes may be in the future, who knows? Dirt scrapings showed that in these ranges both barrels were putting hits into a 16+' pattern. The first round of buckshot blew off the plastic handle and broke a corner brace, those two pellets at least hit out at the perimeter of the target. The rest of it literally passed through the framework of that destroyed bucket; ground evidence showed about a 14 inch spread for the buckshot rounds. (4 rounds fired, each left an individual scar on the dirt of about that length.) I'm not good with recoil, bony shoulders take a beating. I get bruises and broken capillaires just with my 30-06; the recoil pad helped a lot. there was no bruising, but I ache like the dickens today.

All things considered, this gun shot better and cleaner than any other shotgun I have owned, as it appears from this round. The action and barrels are meticulously constructed. So precise that it surprised me. The machining is immaculate. By all appearances, this thing will be regulated at dead center with both barrels at far past 50 feet, every shot kicked up dirt exactly where it should have, not any variation visible. I bought the "nickel" version, which looks very suspiciously like just a stainless steel barrel and action.

The wood, although it is a nicer piece of walnut (yes, a coach gun with REAL WALNUT) that has a minimal amount of pretty nice figuring. It has the lamest excuse for some cut checkering I have ever seen. The pores were not filled before the spray lacquer was applied, so the glossy and plastic looking stock is really far worse than it should be. It needs to have a real checkering tool applied to clean it up, and it needs to be stripped, oiled, and done right some day. The admirable shooting iron was just attached to a mediocre, yet decent piece of furniture.

$500 was the price I paid, but I know that they can be found for far less around the internet; the least expensive I found was $400. the base model can be had for $300+, but IMO, it might be stupid to buy the base model. It has no recoil pad, plain walnut stock, and fixed chokes. With a difference of only $100+-, the recoil pad and replaceable choke tubes alone add easily $100 in value. If a person hates nice wood, never plans on using different chokes, and is willing to use a $40 slip on recoil pad, whatever floats your boat. Something to think about is resale value, and this package will probably return a hell of a lot more money on the open market when reselling.

This is a fine firearm, they are using the same actions that are put into their fowling doubles at over $1k. The alternative of a $300 version isn't even close in quality. It represented a good value at $4-500, for what it is, and with a package like this compared to the $300 or higher prices of others, saving $100-150 is kinda pointless., IMO.
 

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I hope you never have to use it in anger.

If you do, I hope it works.

Bear in mind when fighting a group that the first shot may be a physical stop on the first target, but it can also be a psychological stop on more. Shotguns aren't bad for that, but just in case it doesn't have that effect, I would practice hitting two separate targets very quickly with your two barrels and drawing a sidearm quickly to engage more targets.

My self defence drill with my revolver involves five shots at five targets, leaving me one in reserve, and readying a speedloader for cleanup. The reason I dedicate one shot per target is that a hot loaded .357 Magnum is about as good a one shot stopper as you can get in a controllable handgun. Four out of five guys would likely be stopped and if the fifth needs a head shot, I have that. If I have more than five angry people trying to kill me and they aren't stopped by watching their buddies getting perforated, I will have all the time I need to ask myself how it all went so wrong.

Then again, in Clint Smith's immortal words, the real goal is to fight my way to where I have a rifle.
 

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I'm hoping things work out alright. Personally though, I prefer my Mossberg 590. It's similar enough to my 500 that all of my practicing transfers over just fine.
 

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Becks said:
I'm hoping things work out alright. Personally though, I prefer my Mossberg 590. It's similar enough to my 500 that all of my practicing transfers over just fine.
I'd use anything. I'm fully satisfied with just a handgun, but for several reasons, at least for this bunch, I felt that a larger weapon was called for. these guys may not close into near combat, so the fight may be strung our over a hundred feet or so if they do start blowing holes in my home or some such thing. The coach gun, the lever carbine, several handguns, it all gives versatility to deal with other situations. I'm always carrying a handgun. I need practice with the coach gun to get the dual triggers mastered. I'm thinking about getting smaller shot, say #2 buckshot or larger, instead of the nine 00 rounds.
 

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From what I understand #1 buck is an adequate penetrator, Steel shot tends to penetrate more despite being lighter because its hardness means that it wastes less energy in distortion.

Maybe #3 buck in steel, if you reload your own?
 

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From what I understand #1 buck is an adequate penetrator, Steel shot tends to penetrate more despite being lighter because its hardness means that it wastes less energy in distortion.

Maybe #3 buck in steel, if you reload your own?
Absolutely not. Load #1 buckshot or 00 buckshot.
 
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